When Rowena Gore-Simmons went to prison, her daughter, Kenya, was just 4 years old. On her first night behind bars, Rowena recalls, her hands and feet were shackled.
"I was disappointed in myself, and I was scared for you guys," she told Kenya during a visit to StoryCorps in Baltimore.
During the year Rowena was incarcerated, people would often ask Kenya, 'Where's your mother?'
'I didn't tell them nothing," recalls Kenya, now 16. But all the questions, she says, made her feel like an outsider.
When Rowena asks Kenya the hardest part about their separation, Kenya doesn't hesitate. "Everything," she says.
Rowena had her own personal struggles while in prison. "It made me really think about life," she says. "I asked myself, 'Who are you and who do you want to be?'
"I wanted to be a better mother and learn more about being a mom," Rowena tells Kenya. "I wanted to hold you. I wanted to count your fingers; I wanted to brush your hair. I wanted to be with you."
Rowena, 48, says she is a different person today. In 2009, she founded 2 God B The Glory, a nonprofit transitional housing program for formerly incarcerated women, after working at another Baltimore nonprofit, Power Inside.
"You know, I sometimes look back at the past and I say to myself, 'Who was that person?' And I thank you for being patient with me and I thank you for still loving me," Rowena tells Kenya. "And for giving me the opportunity to be your mother."
When Kenya asks her mother to describe the best part of being out of prison, she laughs.
"Oh my God!" she says. "That I have my family. This is what I'm living for — to be able to be a family."
As for Kenya, her hope for the future is "that we never get split apart again. And we stay together forever."
"You're so special to me," her mother replies. "And I will always be by your side."
Audio produced for Morning Edition by Katie Simon.
LINDA WERTHEIMER, HOST:
On Fridays, we hear from StoryCorp, recording everyday people talking about their lives. Today, a conversation between Rowena Gore-Simmons and her daughter Kenya. Rowena runs a nonprofit for women who've been incarcerated. She has served time herself. When Kenya was 4, Rowena spent a year in prison. Mother and daughter sat down to talk about that time, for StoryCorp.
KENYA: What was your first night like, in prison?
ROWENA GORE-SIMMONS: I was shackled, hands and feet. I was disappointed in myself, and I was scared for you guys. What was the hardest part about me being gone?
GORE-SIMMONS: What did you tell people where I was at?
KENYA: I didn't tell them nothing. But people kept saying, where's your mother?
GORE-SIMMONS: Did that make you feel like an outsider?
KENYA: What did you think about while you were there?
GORE-SIMMONS: Well, it made me really think about life. And I asked myself, who are you and who do you want to be? I wanted to be a better mother and learn more about being a mom. I wanted to hold you. I wanted to count your fingers. I wanted to brush your hair. I wanted to be with you.
KENYA: What's the best part, being out of prison?
GORE-SIMMONS: Oh, my God - (LAUGHTER) - that I have my family. This is what I'm living for, to be able to be a family.
KENYA: Are you different now?
GORE-SIMMONS: You know, I sometimes look back at the past; and I say to myself, who was that person? And I thank you for being patient with me. And I thank you for still loving me, and for giving me the opportunity to be your mother. What do you hope for the future?
KENYA: That we never get split apart again, and we stay together forever.
GORE-SIMMONS: You're so special to me, and I will always be by your side.
KENYA: I love you.
GORE-SIMMONS: I love you, too.
(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)
WERTHEIMER: Rowena Gore-Simmons and her daughter Kenya, at StoryCorp in Baltimore. Their interview will be archived at the Library of Congress. To subscribe to the StoryCorp podcast, visit NPR.org. And you can read more conversations from StoryCorp in the book "All There Is." It's now out in paperback.
(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC) Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.